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+1 Renaming or calling the next "...Wiki Manual" to "...User Manual" would make it easier for people to understand they are same thing. -- Adam.
 
:: Good one, unless there is a technical reason? Adam to add your signature read the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Signatures following] basically typing four tildes '~' results in a username signature with a timestamp, I suggest you join wikipedia and play around in a sandbox(experimental area) . [[User:Daleathan|Daleathan]] ([[User talk:Daleathan|talk]]) 22:45, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 
::: Will do with wikipedia, Thanks --[[User:Adamvazquez|Adamvazquez]] ([[User talk:Adamvazquez|talk]]) 23:44, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 
::::I like this idea and agreed, but as it will involve [ ] changing the Gramps program code to point to the new name [ ] updating wiki redirect templates on artciles outside the user manual and [ ] involve a rename when I roll over the user manual if this ends up being done this will have to wait for the next major release eg: Gramps 5.2.x.
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::::> ''I think we're stuck with the 'Gramps 5.1' prefixes. They are part of the MediaWiki file organization system. But it is also vital for the Search Engine indexing ... so that people get to the right edition for the right software product. Also, having a fully qualified page title makes the Printable (print to PDF) page distinct from outdated copies. ''
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::::Not really; it's not part of the mediawiki file system or even needed for the search engine, an alternative suggestion is that it maybe possible to drop the word "Gramps" altogether because the user manual is already on the Gramps website and simply use the version number as the prefix and the word "user manual" eg: 5.2 User Manual
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::::eg: so pages urls would be shorter and look like the following:
::::https://gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php/5.2_User_Manual
::::https://gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php/5.2_User_Manual_-_Preface
::::etc..making it obvious (to me at the moment) that is for the 5.2 version of Gramps, what do you think?
::::I'll raise a feature request to keep track of this when I get a moment.
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::::Thanks everyone for your contributions to making the documentation easier to get to. --[[User:Sam888|Sam888]] ([[User talk:Sam888|talk]]) 02:18, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
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Sorry... I was more referring to the version number than the 'Gramps' portion of the prefix when writing that it was part of the organization we chose with MediaWiki content management. Although I hadn't even considered the option of dropping the Gramps & keeping the version.
 
It is REALLY nice that when a page URL pops up for a page of the manual, I can just change the version number... and go to the current manual or back a few version to see how a feature worked previously.
 
We've had some Discussions about retiring the superseded manual pages. But that is complicated with so many people choosing to stick the old revisions or evaluating from bundled versions in various Linux distributions. I suppose we could put in placeholder redirects. That would keep the Help from breaking in older version (albeit with it pointing to pages with features & functionality differences. But all the subsection anchors might break) It would also help with Search Engine indexing... they demote redirect pages in the rankings. It probably won't help with the internal search of our our MediaWiki installation. But we could add noindex 'magic words' to the redirects to improve the accuracy of the internal search.
 
Another possibility would be to do URL rewrite rules at the server level... before MediaWiki ever gets the request. That's pretty finicky work & it'd be easy to mess up.
 
[[User:Bamaustin|Bamaustin]] ([[User talk:Bamaustin|talk]]) 03:53, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
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> ''It is REALLY nice that when a page URL pops up for a page of the manual, {{man menu|I can just change the version number... and go to the current manual or back a few version}} to see how a feature worked previously''
 
+100 this is what I do also, if the name does change as suggested by Bamaustin consider also making redirects either using mediawiki or as rewrite rules in the [http://www.htaccess-guide.com/ .htaccess file]. If the redirect are done then I'm all for renaming idea to use a more customary name for the manual. --[[User:Gioto|Gioto]] ([[User talk:Gioto|talk]]) 07:17, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
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