Talk:Portal:Genealogy - Revision history

Flori: /* Current problems with moving */

2012-07-01T16:01:25Z

‎Current problems with moving

Robin Patterson: /* Comparison of potential websites */ updating a couple of licensing changes (GFDL to CC-BY-SA) and updating a little other data

2010-02-07T14:18:44Z

‎Comparison of potential websites: updating a couple of licensing changes (GFDL to CC-BY-SA) and updating a little other data

Fsmunoz: /* Portal Genealogy - moving */

2009-09-16T14:26:56Z

‎Portal Genealogy - moving

Ruszewski: /* Wishlist for genealogy advice website */grammar

2009-02-23T22:28:42Z

‎Wishlist for genealogy advice website: grammar

Ruszewski: /* Reasons for the move */spelling

2009-02-23T22:25:41Z

‎Reasons for the move: spelling

Theodore J Tulley: /* Portal Genealogy - moving */

2009-01-23T23:12:23Z

‎Portal Genealogy - moving

Theodore J Tulley: Portal Genealogy - moving

2009-01-23T23:08:32Z

Portal Genealogy - moving

Theodore J Tulley at 22:11, 23 January 2009

2009-01-23T22:11:04Z

Duncan: /* Comparison of potential websites */

2009-01-23T21:06:49Z

‎Comparison of potential websites

Romjerome: /* Comparison of potential websites */

2009-01-23T17:33:42Z

‎Comparison of potential websites

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 == Current problems with moving ==
 * There are no good multilingual sites
-* Internal inks in this site need to be preserved (so don't actually delete a page, leave a link to the new location)
+* Internal links in this site need to be preserved (so don't actually delete a page, leave a link to the new location)
 == Wishlist for genealogy advice website ==

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 ! Redistributable with Debian?
 |-
-| [http://genealogy.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page Familypedia]
+| [http://familypedia.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page Familypedia]
-| [http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html GFDL]
+| [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ CC-BY-SA]
-| Has over 24,400 articles (and [http://wikistats.wikia.com/wikistats/EN/TablesWikiaGENEALOGY.htm about 60,000 other pages]) with advanced use of categories and templates; [http://genealogy.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Multilingualism accepts any language]
+| Has nearly 70,000 articles (and [http://familypedia.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Statistics about 80,000 other pages]); advanced use of categories and templates, using Semantic MediaWiki; [http://familypedia.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Multilingualism accepts any language (actively pursuing that since 2009)]
 | Genealogy advice and records share the same wiki
 | {{yes}} without 'invariant text'
 |-
 | [http://www.werelate.org/wiki/WeRelate:About WeRelate.org]
-| [http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html GFDL] (text)
+| [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ CC-BY-SA] (text)
 | Claim 2,000,000 entries. By the registered charity [http://www.folg.org/ Foundation for On-Line Genealogy]
 | Genealogy advice and records share the same wiki
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 |-
 | [http://www.genealogywiki.org/ GenealogyWiki.org]
-| A Creative Commons license, but the license link is dead. I've written to them but had no response.
+| A Creative Commons license, but the license link is dead. I've written to them but had no response. URL unavailable, Feb 2010.
 | Is only for genealogy information, not articles and thoughts.
 | Is only for genealogy information, not articles and thoughts.
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 <!-- ### Genealogy Wikibook ### -->
 | <!-- Website -->[http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Genealogy Genealogy Wikibook]
-| <!-- License -->[http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html GFDL]
+| <!-- License -->[http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ CC-BY-SA]
-| <!-- Positive points -->Hierarchic book structure improves navigation<!--"improves" over what? Any MediaWiki site can have book-like structures and other navigation shortcuts-->
+| <!-- Positive points -->Hierarchic book structure may improve navigation to non-genealogy pages<!--"improve" over what? Any MediaWiki site can have book-like structures and other navigation shortcuts. Practically all the two dozen genealogy pages are subpages in one "book".-->
-| <!-- Negative points -->Not very active
+| <!-- Negative points -->Not very active. Two dozen pages of genealogy advice (mostly in subpage form) and over 38,000 non-genealogical pages share the same wiki
 | <!-- Redistributable with Debian? -->{{yes}} without 'invariant text'
 |-

← Older revision		Revision as of 14:26, 16 September 2009
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	Theo Tulley.		Theo Tulley.
		+
		+	:: The problem is not the accessing (i.e. reading) of the information, but if you can, for example, make a dump of the wiki and distribute it on a CD or as a package, and modify the contents, etc. So it's a matter of licencing, hence the reference to Debian since they have clearly defined lines about what constitutes free documentation and what doesn't. As such being able to be "distributed in Debian" is a way to express that the resource should pass the Debian criteria for free documentation. The FamilySearch site, for example, which is one of the best in terms of practical advices and practices, uses a licence that prohibits commercial pro-profit distribuition, and as such falls short o being considered free documentation, and GRAMPS will not advice the use of a wiki whose content isn't free to use, modify and redistribute. --[[User:Fsmunoz\|Fsmunoz]] 14:26, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

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 == Wishlist for genealogy advice website ==
-(Please sign you wishes so we can discuss them on the email lists)
+(Please sign your wishes so we can discuss them on the email lists)
 * Fully multi-lingual (Jerome), --[[User:Duncan|DuncanNZ]] 09:33, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
 * The site must use a free license (free to use, modify and distribute) --[[User:Duncan|DuncanNZ]] 09:33, 16 October 2008 (EDT) ([http://help.ubuntu.com/community help.ubuntu.com/community] uses [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ BY-SA] )

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 == Reasons for the move ==
-* Credibility is improved by keeping advice seperate from a specific software solution
+* Credibility is improved by keeping advice separate from a specific software solution
 * The GRAMPS wiki is relatively small and presumably gets few non-GRAMPS users visiting
 * Supporting the best existing sites about genealogy reduces duplication of effort

← Older revision		Revision as of 23:12, 23 January 2009
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	I'm a Newbie in these matters, but I understand that LinuxMint is a derivative of Ubuntu, itself a derivative of Debian. What is required beyond the ability to access it?		I'm a Newbie in these matters, but I understand that LinuxMint is a derivative of Ubuntu, itself a derivative of Debian. What is required beyond the ability to access it?
		+
		+	The title FamilySearch however invites confusion with the (free) Ancestry.com site.

	Theo Tulley.		Theo Tulley.

← Older revision		Revision as of 23:08, 23 January 2009
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	tj.tulley@physics.org		tj.tulley@physics.org
	SFHG Member No: 11619		SFHG Member No: 11619
		+
		+	== Portal Genealogy - moving ==
		+
		+	Returning to this - FamilySearch appears to be removed from consideration because it is shown as not redistributable with Debian.
		+
		+	It is however an excellent facility, and I can access it using Firefox in a LinuxMint-6 system.
		+
		+	I'm a Newbie in these matters, but I understand that LinuxMint is a derivative of Ubuntu, itself a derivative of Debian. What is required beyond the ability to access it?
		+
		+	Theo Tulley.

← Older revision		Revision as of 22:11, 23 January 2009
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	(Bob's question was answered three months ago. Text deleted. --[[User:Duncan\|DuncanNZ]] 09:14, 16 October 2008 (EDT))		(Bob's question was answered three months ago. Text deleted. --[[User:Duncan\|DuncanNZ]] 09:14, 16 October 2008 (EDT))
		+
		+	I've just spotted the + indicating access to this discussion - should be more obvious!
		+
		+	It seems to me that the Genealogy Wikibook (last in the tabulated list) is the most appropriate place for this portal - perhaps even combined? The purposes appear to be similar.
		+
		+	The comment "little used" suggests that a few more links would be useful.
		+	Yours sincerely,
		+
		+	Theo Tulley.
		+
		+	tj.tulley@physics.org
		+	SFHG Member No: 11619

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 | [http://www.geneawiki.com/index.php/GeneaWiki:Copyright BY-NC-SA]
 | + in french, very active
-| - only in french
+| - most part in french, [http://en.geneawiki.com/index.php/Main_Page english] available
 | {{no}}
 |-